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The trackpad/keyboard change made me so happy, because I can now buy a Lenovo laptop again. Now they need to bring back the Ultrabay (so we can have 2 spindles (1 swappable) + M2 SSD in a 14" laptop) and get rid of non-removable batteries.

The customer backlash must have had a substantial financial impact for Lenovo to reverse course. Other than Blackberry, has any technology vendor trumpeted their own course-reversal in launch marketing for a new product?



> Now they need to bring back the Ultrabay (so we can have 2 spindles (1 swappable) + M2 SSD in a 14" laptop) and get rid of non-removable batteries.

Perhaps in the T series, but those choices actually make sense in a thin-and-light laptop/Ultrabook. If you've ever looked inside one of those laptops, it becomes obvious why they don't have replaceable batteries: they put battery cells in every spare space, not in one encapsulated area.


Yes, I meant the T-series, e.g. the relatively thin and light T400S has a swappable Ultrabay Slim which can accept a hard drive, battery or optical drive.


The 8GB ram limit on the X1 and X250 is still pretty crazy.

I have virtually no reason to upgrade from my X220 (i5 2410, 8GB/SSD+HD) unless it breaks. Sad.


That's the only thing holding me back to upgrade my 2012 X1 Carbon. As soon as they release an X1 with >8GB RAM I buy it


No kidding; even my 2010 X61s had 8GB and my 2 year old X230 has 16GiB.


I'd agree except the X220 screen resolution is idiotically bad.


Bad for what ? If you had a full HD resolution on that size you would lack proper display on Linux for high DPI screens (it's still not perfect at this stage).


Apple... The iPhone 6's screen size.


The entire history of the iPhone is one instance of this phenomenon after another. "Nobody wants big screens." "You don't need cut and paste on a smartphone." "You don't really want multitasking, you only think you do." "Web apps are all you're going to get, and you'll like it."


The first instance is the only real case of that phenomenon, the others Apple openly framed them as temporary compromises.


I can assure you that the iPhone as originally announced was never going to allow third-party native apps; it was to be web-apps only forever, and this was not intended to be a temporary position. Even though their language was often cagey, it is my clear recollection that Apple's general attitude around/beyond the release of iPhone OS 1.0 was that web-apps were essentially "as good as" any native app could be, and were therefore everything developers would ever need. As I recall it was some 13 months before they finally relented and began to talk native third-party API access.

I was at WWDC 2007, here's what Jobs said at the time -

"The full Safari engine is inside of iPhone. And so, you can write amazing Web 2.0 and Ajax apps that look exactly and behave exactly like apps on the iPhone. And these apps can integrate perfectly with iPhone services. They can make a call, they can send an email, they can look up a location on Google Maps. And guess what? There’s no SDK that you need! You’ve got everything you need if you know how to write apps using the most modern web standards to write amazing apps for the iPhone today. So developers, we think we’ve got a very sweet story for you. You can begin building your iPhone apps today."

Additionally -

Apple board member Art Levinson told Isaacson that he phoned Jobs “half a dozen times to lobby for the potential of the apps,” but, according to Isaacson, “Jobs at first quashed the discussion, partly because he felt his team did not have the bandwidth to figure out all the complexities that would be involved in policing third-party app developers.”

The following article discussed this http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/21/jobs-original-vision-for-the-i...


No it was not 13 months, it took 4 months from WWDC 2007 to announcing the SDK, which was then released another 5 months later.

Jobs was being slippery because they had nothing to show at WWDC 2007, but here is the timeline:

iPhone revealed: January 9 2007

WWDC 2007: June 11 2007

iPhone released: June 29 2007

SDK announced: October 17 2007

SDK released: March 6 2008

App Store opens: July 10 2008

From the iPhone being announced to the App Store opening was about 18 months total, quite a pivot if "iPhone as originally announced was never going to allow third-party native apps; it was to be web-apps only forever, and this was not intended to be a temporary position."


Jobs was being slippery

It was always Jobs' M.O. to trash-talk any important feature(s) they didn't have at any given time. It was and is a valid marketing technique -- I can't really blame him for employing it -- but at some point it stopped fooling me. It required me to assume that Jobs was a dumbass, which regardless of what we might have thought about him was never the case.

From the iPhone being announced to the App Store opening was about 18 months total, quite a pivot if "iPhone as originally announced was never going to allow third-party native apps; it was to be web-apps only forever, and this was not intended to be a temporary position."

As I understand it, the App Store had been under active development for some time, but for the iPad. The iPad was always going to run native third-party applications, but the company was caught off guard by the demand for them on the iPhone.

In retrospect, the apparent speed of their pivot on the App Store policy should have been a very strong indicator that a tablet was in the works. It did look suspicious, but I don't think Jobs was actively lying when he said the iPhone would rely on web apps.


And yet, didn't they also say that the the built-in apps couldn't be equaled by Web apps? I wonder how Jobs reconciled that.


I might be mistaken, but my impression was that the "web apps only" thing was real and not a temporary compromise. They may have spun it that way retroactively, though.


Certainly not in my recollection.




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