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What am I missing? Can someone please explain what reason there is to switch/build a new terminal when we can use e.g. iTerm ?


I was using iTerm up until about a week ago when I unboxed a new Mac and decided to test out alternatives while setting it up. Ghostty wasn't out yet so I started with Wezterm, and was shocked to find how much it's speed improved my terminal experience. Typing latency is much better in nvim, and scrolling is vastly improved in nvim and tmux.

Ghostty feels like a Mac app like iTerm2 while being fast and having fewer features. Wezterm feels more like an app ported from Linux, but has a much richer config system and features like build-in multiplexing which means it's replaced tmux for me - while keeping all my tmux keybinds.


Is iTerm2 noticeably slow? I just use the built in Terminal app and I can’t imagine “speed” being a reason to switch away from it. (There is no lack of speed.)


The reason I switched from iTerm2 is it took multiple seconds to resize a window on macOS. I use Rectangle to resize windows, and by default my shortcut for "put this window on the left half" cycles through window sizes when the window is already on the left. So a common workflow is to tap Hyper-J to move a window to the left half, then make it the left third, then the left two thirds of the screen. This is fine for any text editor or browser, but iTerm2 would beachball while I waited multiple seconds for it to resize the window.

Wezterm moves instantly.


I’ve noticed that too when the scroll back buffer is particularly long. iTerm seems to then reflow from the beginning, which can take a while.

I keep using a lot of fresh tabs all the time and iTerm resizes instantly via Rectangle for me.

Ghostty was a bit more sluggish in resizing on an Intel Mac than iTerm in the current latest versions.


No, iTerm is not slow. Ghostty is not noticeably faster in any of my workflows. I am sure Ghostty is faster in some use case, but it's nothing I regularly do or have noticed.


Same, I use it all the time and never perceived it as slow. I am not a tmux user, maybe the speed is noticeable when using more complex terminal apps like that?


Do you have a lot of triggers set up in iTerm 2? IMO that’s what kills performance.

I can understand being frustrated about latency on older Macs — I used to run Alacritty for certain tasks on my Intel Macs for that reason. But on newer Macs like a new M4 Pro I’m back to 100% iTerm 2 again. I can’t fathom having latency problems with iTerm 2 on a new Mac you just unboxed.


Mitchell has a 5 min lightning talk discussing performance of ghostty which is worth a quick watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPaGkEesw20&t=3015s

It's one of those things that you don't realize how poor the performance is until you experience something better.

Mentioned from his blog: https://mitchellh.com/writing/ghostty-is-coming


> It's one of those things that you don't realize how poor the performance is until you experience something better.

No, it’s one of those things I’ve tested myself extensively and arrived at my own conclusion. Which I already mentioned in the comment you responded to.


The performance talk is about ghostty, which you did not mention trying. You mention alacritty, which is GPU based and offers good performance, but you're quick to rebuttal on unrelated projects.


I only settled on Alacritty after giving all the new and supposedly fast terminal emulators a spin (at least a day for various tasks).


I'm still using the built in MacOS terminal. What am I missing? I mostly do webdev - maybe terminal features are more important for other types of programming?


Apple Terminal has a lot of problems. As others have mentioned, it lacks support for 24 bit color, enforces minimum contrast ratios without any ability to disable them (meaning you cannot set arbitrary color themes), is hopelessly bad at Unicode rendering (particularly with multi-codepoint graphemes, see [1]), and in general misbehaves in other myriad ways [2][3][4].

With both Ghostty and iTerm2 now freely available, there's really no reason to use Terminal.app.

[1]: https://mitchellh.com/writing/grapheme-clusters-in-terminals

[2]: https://github.com/neovim/neovim/issues/26093

[3]: https://github.com/neovim/neovim/issues/28776

[4]: https://github.com/neovim/neovim/pull/28453


Personally, my main reason to prefer Kitty over Terminal.app are (I believe Ghostty support all of them as well, so looking forward to try it out):

- “Kitty Keyboard Protocol” means that a TUI app can detect all keybindings. For example, if you install kkp.el in Emacs, then Emacs running in a terminal will pick up ctrl+shift keys, super keys, etc. on par with a GUI app. I believe NeoVim supports this out of the box now as well, so if you ever felt like binding Cmd+S to :w<cr> you now can. - “Kitty Graphics Protocol” means that I can let e.g. Matplotlib show images inside a terminal, even over SSH connections. If you’re annoyed at pop-up GUI windows, or struggling with viewing remote images often, this is a nice workaround. There are even attempts at making terminal PDF viewers (like termpdf.py); IMO that’s a game changer, even though the app itself is still in a “proof of concept” stage IMO. - Terminal splits. If you work a lot in a terminal, it’s nice to be able to full-screen a terminal and view many different shells or processes side-by-side. Last I checked, Terminal.app just doesn’t have this feature. Sure, you could use multiple windows or a multiplexer like tmux, but that comes with different trade-offs; for example, a native terminal offers smooth scrolling with a trackpad whereas tmux doesn’t. Personally, I use tmux remotely, but stopped using it locally. - I see a lot of people mention 24-bit colors as a main reason to not use Terminal.app. For me, I’m actually pretending that I have a 16-color terminal, because I’m tired of having to theme every command-line utility individually, I’d rather they all just respect my 16 chosen colors instead. The only exception is my editor, just because there are unfortunately few good 16-color themes these days, so I instead change my terminal program to be consistent with my editor theme and then let every other TUI utility believe the terminal only supports 16 colors to match.


Built-in terminal doesn’t support truecolor. Many CLI programs rely on that to look good.


What CLI programs? I have yet to run into any issues after using the built in terminal for its entire lifespan.


As an example, here is the Helix editor (neovim looks just as bad) in Terminal.app vs. ghostty (would look just as good in any other modern terminal).

https://imgur.com/a/terminal-app-left-vs-truecolor-tddRL0C


I appreciate you making an effort to visually display things, but FWIW I don't think that (or sibling) really gets to the root issue, which is less of capability then practical convenience and compatibility. Mac native Terminal perfectly well supports 256 colors (or arbitrary 16 colors with themes), which I've used, so you could absolutely make both sides look identical there. Unless someone is regularly viewing photos inside their terminal (which some do support and can actually sometimes be handy!) then it might not be immediately clear what 24-bit would bring to the table over 8-bit, regardless of editor or shell themes.

But in practice 24-bit was an easy lift for terminals under active development ages ago, and in turn made it trivial to have everyone across any platform specify exact colors more easily without any end user customization or arguments about "not quite what I wanted" in an 8-bit palette or whatever. Thus a lot of the ecosystem now makes use of it. Being able to replicate anything yourself, or get close enough, in a smaller colorspace is still extra grunt work for no particularly valuable reason, and could actually add up to be fairly significant work if one has a lot of more complex code coloring themes and such.


My example is precisely about practical convenience. If I try to do something very normal in Terminal.app, namely use a text editor with a theme, it will look like garbage.


Off topic but what Helix theme are you using here?


Some small tweaks on the built-in theme ayu_evolve.


You wouldn’t realize because 24-bit colors are silently dropped. You don’t get the full experience but you also won’t “run into any issues”, unless you start using something that relies on 24-bit color coding for core functionality, like my own log viewer.


Proper text-based configuration made me switch from iTerm to WezTerm, and i’ll give this a try as well :)


Why create new art when we already have galleries full of it?


Iterm is slow


Yeah or vscode integrated bash?


This is what I use for everything and it works great. Coworkers look at me crazy when I tell them I never open a dedicated terminal.




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