> Hosting providers MUST be forced to provide a platform for everyone and anyone against the will of the provider. It SHALL NOT matter how many people their customers brag about driving to suicide. Nor should the hosting provider take into consideration harassment campaigns orchestrated by users of their platforms.
I want content-neutral infrastructure.
KF are scum and much of what they do should be illegal, but I want those decisions made in a court of law where they can defend themselves, not by whoever got in the ear of the right tech CEO. Platforms aren't people and shouldn't have rights.
Forcing professors investing all their life into advancement of human civilization out of universities because they said a funny word? The should lose all their possessions, it's completely harmless and right, trust me!
Calling someone names and pointing out things that are glaring OPSEC mistakes? Immediately drop and do everything to attack them!
p.s.: it's very sad to see enthusiasts and prominent engineers like Marcan getting corrupted by the plague of our times.
And yet the courts are inadequate about protecting small-scale, individual rights. KF does targeted harassment, not large-scale terrorism, so agencies don't have much incentive to dedicate a disproportionate amount of resources on taking them offline.
Freedom of association is enshrined in many constitutions and laws across the globe as a fundamental right. Why do you want to force people to associate with those they do not want to?
I am member of a badminton club, we have a code-of-conduct. It contains things like:
- Don't harass other players
- Don't harass or be an ass towards refs
- Don't litter it the gym, keep it tidy
- Don't take performance-enhancing drugs
- and a few other such rules.
Why do we have to ask a judge in a court of law to be able to stop associating with a team-mate that keeps shouting sexual expletives at referees, keeps littering in the locker rooms, and generally makes the situation unpleasant? Why can't we just use our first amendment (or equivalent elsewhere) rights and stop associating?
and if people think your code of conduct is too harshly enforced they can and will go elsewhere, there are thousands of badminton clubs in the world. Different strokes for different folks.
Trying to kick someone off the internet entirely is a completely different matter.
Nobody is kicking anybody off the internet here. Kiwi Farms are free to associate with anyone willing to associate with them, or host their own content. There are thousands of hosts. Different strokes for different folks. Why should anybody be forced to give up their free speech/association rights because you say so?
Most of my outrage is aimed at censorship of left-wing and antiwar content. Much of which is already banned from most of reddit and deranked from google - I don't want to see the whole internet go down that road via DDoS protection, and fear KF, who I hate, was a first step and not a last one.
Tech giants started justifying their abuses through "nazis bad" and now pointing out US support for Azov gets your website hidden.
As people say in the free speech issue: if it's illegal - if you've got actual evidence - report it to the police. Plenty of KF users have been in contact with the police .. making bogus reports.
In a statement to The Sunday Times, the PSNI said they received a report of an incident last Tuesday.
“Officers attended the scene but found nothing ongoing on their arrival. Inquiries are continuing surrounding the incident which is being treated as hate-motivated at this time,” a PSNI spokesperson added.
Mhmm... They have nothing to do with that behaviour. wink They're just joking about the self harm and suicide. wink The swatting of the discussed people is a completely unrelated coincidence. winkwink
It's a terrible art people master. It's like the worst hateful accounts on twitter which are extremely clean - you couldn't report a single tweet, yet we know exactly what they mean. Of course this account for explicitly-super-straight is not against anyone. Of course all this public information collected on specific people and their connections is for fun and not an invitation to harass them.
You people have built up a whole fantasy about the KiwiFarms... And its obvious when someone SWATs a person like Marjorie Taylor Greene claiming theyre from the KiwiFarms, that it's a false flag. The events CloudFlare refernces that show the site was a danger were a post from 4chan pretending to be a KiwiFarms user, and a post made a user that had previously only posted once in 2020, and then got banned 14 minutes (with 7 reports) after making threatening posts in the keffals thread, plainly another false flag trying to make the site look bad while there is a smear campaign against it. People attack and lie about the KiwiFarms because it hosts embarrassing information about them.
>The evidence CloudFlare gave that the site was a danger were a post from 4chan pretending to be a KiwiFarms user, and a post made a user that had previously only posted once in 2022
Where did Cloudflare give this evidence? Are you the administrator of Kiwifarms? They certainly haven't shared this in public.
You're right, they actually gave no evidence, but if these are not the events they are referencing in their blog post (the things that the #DropKiwiFarms has been hyping up), then what is?
>The swatting of the discussed people is a completely unrelated coincidence.
yeah, because it's so difficult to just SWAT someone and claim you're someone you're not? The MTG swatter literally used text-to-speech and said roughly "I'm from Kiwifarms and this is my username: ...". why would anyone go to the trouble of disguising their voice only to tell police who they really are? Null made it very clear that he cooperates with law enforcement if illegal content is put on the site. if it was actually that user, he'd be in a jail cell by now. there was no discussion of anything like this in any thread prior to the attack. it's so obviously a hoax.
why do people have such a fucking blind spot about this? it's the 911 equivalent of a phishing email with a forged sender address. it's trivial.
You're choosing one obvious hoax and ignoring piles of reports, from a large number of people, going back years with recurring issues that coincide with kf postings. It's not even worth linking - they're trivial to find on twitter for anyone interested.
If they are trivial to find then why aren't you linking them? This thread is the first I'm even hearing of kiwi-farms, but skimming through I'm only seeing direct evidence in favor of them and only vague unsourced allegations against them. I hope you understand that even implying a twitter mob is involved isn't doing you any favors here.
> If they are trivial to find then why aren't you linking them?
Because either you care and can spend 5min to find many personal threads on how this impacted people's lives, or not. I'm not here to summarise this for you. This is not random internet drama for entertainment.
Well your passive aggression has me even less convinced in your honesty, this isn't my first rodeo, I'm not gonna blindly trust random testimony without evidence. I genuinely fail to see how kiwi-farms is worse than Twitter or any other social media site for that matter.
Here's a former FBI Asst. Dir. asserting that they do [0] (archive link in case it's removed [1]). I'll grant you that the government can and has lied, but all of this seems a lot like one side full of tremendously shitty people saying they're not guilty, and the other side saying the opposite. In the absence of definitive proof, I'll go with character.
Why are you defending KF so hard? Even in the thread on the Cloudflare issue itself I saw the N-word, transphobic and antisemitic slurs, and calls to doxx the CEO... and that was just the first page.
yeah. it is funny. I defend it on the merits: Kiwifarms is a funny site and it deserves to exist. you're just pointing and sputtering, as if I'm saying something obviously preposterous, but I'm not.
the idea that a website ought to be completely erased from the internet just because people on it say mean things is a very new idea, and one that I haven't been convinced by.
I'm not sure on all of your claims, and frankly I can't be bothered to get any more into this drama but I will say one thing:
I found it shocking that the person behind the dropkiwifarms campaign does openly say they are making home-made drugs, and proudly say they will organise for children to take it without parental consent. I'm sure this must be illegal?
This is entirely ignored in all reporting of the Cloudflare situation. If I was a reporter and I saw this in my 5 minutes of research, I would very quickly find someone else to be the spokesperson of dropkiwifarms.
> I found it shocking that the person behind the dropkiwifarms campaign does openly say they are making home-made drugs, and proudly say they will organise for children to take it without parental consent. I'm sure this must be illegal?
It is. She's distributing controlled substances/substances that require a prescription. Essentially she's practicing medicine without a license. This would be true even if she were helping adults.
You're right, but people don't care about the truth. Personally I doubt that keffals is behind the attacks, since the site has been facing them for ages. A site like the KiwiFarms that compiles unsavory deeds is going to attract the ire of those same people who will do unsavory things to get that information hidden.
Kiwifarms was not a 'nazi' forum, it's so easy to tell who never actually lurked there or did enough due diligence to actually investigate for themselves what the site actually hosted lmfao
Two of the "lolcows" prominently featured on the front page are Ethan Ralph and Nick Fuentes. They're not nazis (they're antisocial morons), but anybody who would call the KiwiFarms a nazi site would call them nazis. The News's approach to Fuentes has been to pearlclutch and basically make him look cool to the young guys he recruits for his political cult. If anyone remembers all the embarrassing stuff that came out about him recently, guess where that information came from. Genuinely the KiwiFarms does a better job of keeping people from falling for fringe politics than the people who set out to do that. Sometimes laughter is the best medicine.
Nick Fuentes is definitely a nazi, which is in no way incompatible with him being an antisocial moron. Just because KF mocks Fuentes doesn't mean they're the only or even a canonical source of embarrassing info about him. Also, anyone who studies extremism can tell you that every extremist movement is rife with infighting and petty interpersonal rivalries.
